How can you get the best effect of eye liner, without having to much?

I've tried eye liner before, but it always looks like I have to much on. Is it that the pencile isn't sharp enough, or is liquid liner the only way to go for super super fine lines?How can you get the best effect of eye liner, without having to much?
I suggest not using liquid eyeliner, it has finer lines but is darker and looks heavier. Liquid eyeliner is more for an evening look. If you are not wanting to wear to much makeup but still want to wear eyeliner I suggest this: Use a softer tone, such as gray. (Try to find a liner with a white stub of sponge on the end to smudge with.) It's subtle yet still gives you that smokey look. Apply a small line close to the base of your lashes. Next, take the sponge on the opposite end and smudge it by dragging the sponge over the line how you applied the eyeliner at least three times. The sponge removes some of the liner and still gives you a nice appearance. Another thing you could try is just applying it to your top lid and apply mascara this is a very sexy look. Angelina Jolie does this often, it also opens up your eyes. Basically, the trick is to not press to hard and start from the outside and go in. Give small strokes as you draw the line, don't do a full line at once. Just small strokes, lightly and then smudge it a bit. It will look great.How can you get the best effect of eye liner, without having to much?
I have the perfect solution, an its what i do everyday!!





I take a q-tip, and rub it into a dark brown eye shadow (you could try navy, or if you're eyes are a hazel, a plum) Then I take my finger, and pull the outer corner of my eye, so that it is stretched. Then, I blend the eyeshadow on the q-tip into my lashline. It works great, and its a softer look but still defines you're eyes.
try MAC fluidline. its gel-based and comes in a pot. you apply it with a brush, so you can control how much you want to put on. you can do it so you have a thick liquid liner effect or as thin as you want so it looks like pencil. i had a friend who used it and i thought she used pencil til she said she had fluidline too!
Try making dots on your lash line and then connecting them. This will make it a lot easier to focus on how thin or thick the line is. Also, make sure that there isn't too much liquid on the brush when using liquid eyeliner.